tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post4917044099408652974..comments2024-03-24T06:10:25.358-07:00Comments on Noel's Garden Blog: News from this Benighted Kingdom Noel Kingsburyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09443137231998907024noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-36438546981226334442016-07-12T10:16:39.915-07:002016-07-12T10:16:39.915-07:00Fantastic blog, by the way, Noel. We suffer a simi...Fantastic blog, by the way, Noel. We suffer a similar weed problem in warm and wet West Wales. Europe occupies much of my thoughts. I wish we could do something about it. Is it really lost? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652497191986578468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-60490035662397736872016-07-12T10:13:15.570-07:002016-07-12T10:13:15.570-07:00My partner and I are extremely depressed about the...My partner and I are extremely depressed about the vote. The acceleration of Theresa May into the post of PM just seems to bring Brexit closer, so when I say depressed I mean depressed. Simon de Montfort's first English parliament, from which we date the development of our parliamentary democracy took place on 20 January 1265, 751 years ago. How could we expect to have perfect democracy in an institution which is not quite 60 years old? We should have stayed and fought to improve the way the EU is run. There are many things I don't like about the EU. We could have fought for better trade deals, reduced tariffs with other parts of the world for the benefit of both Europe and the many developing countries we trade with. I also don't like the imposition of austerity on the people of Greece, Spain and Portugal. Of course, our government was unlikely to complain about that since it has been enacting similar policies.(Perhaps another reason for the vote.) Despite all this, I believe that life is enriched culturally and economically by our membership and that we are crazy to leave the world's largest trading block. I am quite bitter about the lies and prejudices that led so many people to vote Brexit. My partner and I are considering moving to Brittany while we still can. Or Scotland may provide a refuge.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03652497191986578468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-91729333801444943482016-07-06T14:40:44.708-07:002016-07-06T14:40:44.708-07:00We voted to come out of the EU not Europe. Parliam...We voted to come out of the EU not Europe. Parliamentary Sovereignty is extremely important, the EU is failing its poor and unemployed, look at Greece, Spain or Italy. It is insulting to call all those who voted out as uneducated and racist, some countries such as Japan value the wisdom of their older generation. We should be looking outwards to the whole world.<br />I think we should stay calm and carry on gardening.Brian Skeyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761762507159759619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-9072641325098866482016-07-05T16:25:02.070-07:002016-07-05T16:25:02.070-07:00I am an old french gardener, and I still wish to v...I am an old french gardener, and I still wish to visit your english gardens! <br />Afraid that "Democracy" given to everyone and anyone can break all that union inside Great Britain, anxious of the fact thats political people did not appreciate correctly the consequences of such a decision on England, and on other countries ?<br />But I am not sure that your Parliament finally agrees to go out the UE.<br />The fear is not a good friend , for others countries too.<br />Catherine Dhttp://catherinedelhom.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-75950829850160784382016-06-30T12:58:58.880-07:002016-06-30T12:58:58.880-07:00Thank you for this comment. I could not have said...Thank you for this comment. I could not have said it better myself. I was absolutely gutted when the Brexit-side won. <br />The one thing worth mentioning as well may be that the gutter press in this country is owned and controlled by people who are not even British - very ironic, if you ask me. <br />Let us hope the incredible rise of open xenophobia and hostility towards everyone not white and English will soon subside. We may need to be brave and challenge this behaviour if we witness it - looking away and hoping it will disappear is not an option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-66103015887579584852016-06-30T06:33:22.287-07:002016-06-30T06:33:22.287-07:00I liked reading your post. As a Spaniard who´s alw...I liked reading your post. As a Spaniard who´s always been in love with England and its gardens I was horrified by the latest news.It has been a terrible mistake but somehow I knew it was coming. This last winter I was travelling in India and meeting many retired English teachers (I¨m a retired teacher myself) and many of them were thinking of voting out, so it´s not just "badly-educated-people". I agree that when you get older you become selfish and conservative but even so..Anyway we´ll keep visiting England and English gardens and somehow there will be a way to mend it, I´m sure of that. <br />Good luck<br />JoseJose Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07962897554962433914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-56679750765287948812016-06-30T05:08:58.683-07:002016-06-30T05:08:58.683-07:00Thank you Noel, I so respect you for clearly stati...Thank you Noel, I so respect you for clearly stating your thoughts. As an American, it is sad to watch your great nation head into so much uncertainty. Clearly the press played a big part, and clearly many did not understand the EU contribution . It is frighteningly similar to the "nasty, thuggish intolerant element" playing out in this country, with racism in the lead role. Grinding, continual poverty, as you so well put it, little prospects for advancement, and years of being a have-not, have made hatred and anger the impetus behind this election. I feel both countries are robbed of their potential greatness, it is awful to witness. I do not recognize my country, and I am afraid for us as a nation.<br />We will always visit your gardens, Noel - and look to Great Britain for innovation in garden thinking, for skill and sophistication. That will never change! Thank you for you clear voice, and your thoughts. It helps in trying to understand and make sense of the historic events happening to a dear friend and ally.Christine Darnell Gardenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12172415782632119526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-53777775929481319572016-06-29T07:24:21.592-07:002016-06-29T07:24:21.592-07:00Yes you are quite right Noel. It is a monumental c...Yes you are quite right Noel. It is a monumental cock-up and the lunatics have taken over the asylum.<br />Don't blame all the oldies, all our septuguarian friends are deeply upsetRoger Brook - No Dig Gardenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210160273591839142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-27654006183355496332016-06-29T04:29:10.723-07:002016-06-29T04:29:10.723-07:00Extremely well said, Noel. I am someone who has li...Extremely well said, Noel. I am someone who has lived in England most of my working life (you may remember me as the previous Cathy Buchanan who was once - incredibly briefly! - editor at 'The Gardener' magazine?). I now live in France (mostly due to the outrageous cost of buying a decent-sized garden in England and Scotland), but I am half Scottish, half Canadian (went to school in Scotland). I really do actually feel that I belong nowhere now - perhaps in an independent Scotland of the future? However, in spite of the fact that my mother still has a dream that she'll see her own country independent before she dies, I think that Nicola Sturgeon will not take the risk of another referendum. I am eager to see if she can sort something else for Scotland. As to the position of ex-pats over here - so many of my friends (retired, on state pension) are really worried about their futures. There is a feeling that we have somehow been 'thrown on the rubbish heap'. The only thing worse than the horror of the slow-motion train crash going on in Britain at the moment is the the thought of a France ruled by Marine le Pen. Poor old Europe - it feels like the death of a kind of pragmatic idealism (if that's possible). And many of us are now in mourning. How wonderful that you addressed this complex subject in such a lucid way - and on a blog that is semi-dedicated to gardening. I know of only one fellow gardening blogger who has been as brave. I shall enjoy following your blog tremendously in the future, I am sure. (And sorry this is so long!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-77969322933818903792016-06-29T00:11:04.608-07:002016-06-29T00:11:04.608-07:00Very helpful post.... you really describe the cont...Very helpful post.... you really describe the context of the referendum very well, especially for those of us abroad who are friends of the UK. I was very saddened to see the outcome, and, as are many around the world I'm sure, wondering how it will evolve. The fact of an almost equal divide seems to indicate much work needs to be done to find common ground. One fervently hopes the manipulative politicians who created this situation will lose their credibility and that the British public will instead support those who truly put the best interests of the entire population foremost. Also sounds like time for those in the conservation and environmental sectors to pull together to ensure the gains/funding/research that happened while in the EU are not eroded or destroyed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12367751805559899017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-68115378748066676872016-06-28T12:48:42.216-07:002016-06-28T12:48:42.216-07:00Noel,
Great blog, and thank you for giving it ove...<br />Noel,<br /><br />Great blog, and thank you for giving it over to the disaster of the EU referendum! I can't even find the words to say how awful that decision was. I went to bed at 10.30 on vote note, and the pundits were saying - even at that early stage - that it looked as though the Remain camp were going to edge it. I awoke to hear the news that we were to leave the EU. It is truly dreadful. I feel physical sick to be voted out of the EU. Should the over-60's even been given the right to vote on such a youth-important decision as that?? Trump in America.... Boris in the U.K.?!<br />Yours truly, a professional gardener, wet through, having spent yet another day in one of Blighty's 'depressing & soggy' gardens!! <br />Le jardinierle jardinierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08988723205111769166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-55154197606690238842016-06-28T10:45:42.165-07:002016-06-28T10:45:42.165-07:00You voice my opinion so well I will be sending lin...You voice my opinion so well I will be sending links to American friends who have asked me "what is happening". As an English gardener living in Italy (but who knows for how much longer) I feel deep embarrassment at what we may have done to the rest of Europe too; other countries may now follow our lead (Heaven forbid!). we really need to know who our friends are and I for one believe the 'special relationship' with the US is in our minds not theirs.Christinahttp://myhesperidesgarden.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-49086750497170456252016-06-28T10:31:32.682-07:002016-06-28T10:31:32.682-07:00thank you for this calm , reasoned piece. Remember...thank you for this calm , reasoned piece. Remember that most Northern cities voted Remain. so many forgotten areas have voted Leave but major cities did not agreeLiz Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-81302697935723869382016-06-28T06:32:26.997-07:002016-06-28T06:32:26.997-07:00Noel,
Having just come from a lovely visit to C...Noel,<br /> Having just come from a lovely visit to Cornwall--I belong to the Cornwall Weavers Guild and participated in the Royal Cornwall Show June 9-11--my impression is that the whole Brexit thing is overwrought. Imperial Britain, like the Imperial United States, is a chimera. The sun will rise tomorrow morning, people will go to work, kids will go back to school. Another government will be elected in the fall, and will be as venal and self-serving as the old one. The media will continue to pander to the lowest common denominator and sensationalize everything. The sky is not falling. And believe it or not, a good few of those "poor, badly educated people who have no idea what the EU is about" are less brain-dead and more savvy than you want to give them credit for. Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean they don't have a point. Lighten up, Noel. We'll all muddle through. As usual.Kathy Fitzgeraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16145577877807197103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-33102276763623682792016-06-28T05:38:17.694-07:002016-06-28T05:38:17.694-07:00You are very good at hitting the nail on the head....You are very good at hitting the nail on the head. I say this a bit reluctantly because you are also prolific and clever and never answer comments, even if there is something real to be said. But, bravo, all true, all frightening, all worrying. Gardens cannot save us if everything else falls apart but more should have been done on spreading the wealth.Janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02791751421698536323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-37972262832760508562016-06-28T04:50:25.690-07:002016-06-28T04:50:25.690-07:00I understand that half your nation is mourning thi...I understand that half your nation is mourning this outcome and I appreciate your personal feelings, but I have to comment that as an American libertarian, the idea of submitting to laws made by "one-world-government" un-elected bureaucrats in a foreign country fills me with horror. It's not just poor, badly-educated people who want a voice in their government; some of us with multiple degrees clearly see the folly of giving up your sovereignty in return for phantom economic benefits. After the mourning, I strongly suspect your nation will be better off -- the seemingly magical power of time and markets improves just about everything (except the power of bureaucrats). <br /><br />I usually avoid the topic of politics and I'm not trying to argue with your opinions; I just want you to know that there are nobler reasons than those you ascribe to Brexiteers for insisting on voluntary, not forced, associations with others. And there is nothing shameful or dangerous about regional differences -- they do not need to be forceably homogenized; they should be celebrated and nurtured. You are obviously England -- not Europe, no matter how much you insist otherwise, and frankly, it saddens me that I should need to reassure you that there's nothing wrong with that. <br /><br />Cheer up my friend -- everything will seem better when everyone has calmed down. Best wishes for you and your fine nation. -BethGarden Fancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12283184170369157189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-6760989505028938572016-06-28T00:32:43.444-07:002016-06-28T00:32:43.444-07:00One of best analyses of Brexit. Well written! I h...One of best analyses of Brexit. Well written! I have shared widely. Thanks. Trudy Harpham (Brit in CH).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-14329511330377966002016-06-27T23:45:05.582-07:002016-06-27T23:45:05.582-07:00So well said, Noel! Looking at the U.K. from Canad...So well said, Noel! Looking at the U.K. from Canada, I have become embarrassed to claim English heritage. You explained in a very understandable manner how things have come to the current state of affairs on your fair islands; how a people who felt it was their right to control the destinies of billions of others around the world rebelled at the smallest controls over them by their partners in Europe. It saddens me how they, after setting us on our path of glorifying our differences, have apparently become xenophobic themselves. It is sad watching a nation of great people become more and more diminished.gordonfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16228519774442183777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-56585482446480060362016-06-27T23:16:27.426-07:002016-06-27T23:16:27.426-07:00Well said, Noel, a beautifully written piece which...Well said, Noel, a beautifully written piece which surely echoes the thoughts of a lot of us. I don't live abroad, I live in Dorset, I moved back here after 48 years in France in 2014. I was flabbergasted as the results came in to see that my neighbours had voted out. I am heartbroken, and wonder what is to become of us. Fintan O'Toole's article that you attach at the end of your blog is also a very sensitive comment on the present situation. Thank you.Caroline Vidicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17850291228841300238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-91854216809117159692016-06-27T23:08:52.295-07:002016-06-27T23:08:52.295-07:00I'm very sad too! I'm just a Belgian garde...I'm very sad too! I'm just a Belgian gardener and since 20 years I visit each year an area of your country and its gardens !<br />Be sure I'll come again, to show you we like England, which is a part of our european culture!sophiehttp://lejardincesttout.typepad.com/lejardincesttout/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-55452250403706927442016-06-27T21:09:48.034-07:002016-06-27T21:09:48.034-07:00Thank you, Noel, for this heartfelt analysis. We a...Thank you, Noel, for this heartfelt analysis. We are watching Brexit unfold from the other side of the world, in New Zealand, with some level of emotional detachment that distance allows. To read something written by a gardening colleague rams home the shocking reality. Every country has its own flashpoints - the EU in Britain's case - but the underpinning issues are shared by a number of countries. Hence the Trump phenomenon in USA. We would be stupid - and probably are - to think that our flashpoint could not be similarly ignited in societies where growing inequality and deeply cynical politics have built a set of circumstances similarly vulnerable to the 'perfect storm' of events.Abbie and Mark Juryhttp://www.jury.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-77997267811710871542016-06-27T20:40:19.805-07:002016-06-27T20:40:19.805-07:00So many thanks for posting this, Noel. An excellen...So many thanks for posting this, Noel. An excellent piece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-68308218761450882082016-06-27T19:47:36.638-07:002016-06-27T19:47:36.638-07:00Neil,
I am sorry for your loss and sorry that my b...Neil,<br />I am sorry for your loss and sorry that my birth country has taken this step. It is, perhaps, a natural post post-Imperial response. The largest Empire the world has known (so far) didn't get to be so by being nice to foreigners. But the British Empire is long gone and the U.K. Is undergoing a political evolution that may well result in the UK being inconsequential on the world stage. So it goes.<br />This happens to every Empire and will happen to the current one.<br />As to gardens, yes they are very nice, it's true. This is partly because of the weather which is good for plants but generally appalling for humans. Roses bloom, people don't.<br />However, I do wonder about contemporary gardens. It seems the British garden designer has decided that Great Britain was once part of Minnesota because there are so many prairies cropping up. New Perennialists, old Perennialists. It's all lovely on the ten sunny autumnal afternoons when the grasses are back- lit by the sun but on the other days, soggy British gardens are... well, depressing.<br />No wonder you are upset. <br />Anyway, kisses from California. I wish you well.<br />Chris<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-85132175879039500242016-06-27T19:46:31.340-07:002016-06-27T19:46:31.340-07:00This is actually one of the most lucid and cohesiv...This is actually one of the most lucid and cohesive write-ups of the whole debacle that I - as a German-American outsider - have read. Of course, between Trump and his supporters here in the US and the terrifying, quasi-Nazi AfD or "Alternative for Germany" in Germany, we are facing similar ideological battles...Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07291223943168030684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5223294603002782762.post-78327931400766986482016-06-27T19:09:31.388-07:002016-06-27T19:09:31.388-07:00Thanks Noel for sharing your thoughts....as only y...Thanks Noel for sharing your thoughts....as only you can. As an outsider observing the events, I just feel sad...so very sad about this historical vote. It feels as 'fractious' as when Hussein invaded Kuwait 25 years ago.Fran Sorinhttp://www.fransorin.comnoreply@blogger.com